Women constantly struggle for validation-even when it comes to conflicts with our own. Sometimes it feels like no matter what happened, all anyone remembers is a silly cat fight. But not on Frenemies-a podcast by Toil and Trouble Media.

On Frenemies, we put aside the egos and generalizations and explore the real tales underneath. Whether drawn from history or the headlines, we take a deep dive into the lives of notable women, their struggles and the female conflicts that influenced their legacies.

Like the professional rivalry between Coco Chanel and Elsa Schiaparelli, the hyper scrutiny faced by Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell, or the Boleyn sisters struggling for favor from Henry the 8th, you’ll see we’re really not all that different.

And you may walk away with a new hero.

Frenemies...Rivalry is a bitch.