It started as a fascinating and timely discussion between two friends on their daily walk through Los Angeles in the height of Covid. It's evolved into conversations about current events, public policy and opinion, politics, media, government, economics, business and individual freedoms. Every subject gets UNPACKED, exposing the ideas behind the issues, often boiling down to the central question that drives every opinion and emotion - discussions that you'll rarely, if ever, hear voiced in public. That's what we do in this Podcast. We're just two guys walking and talking; you're welcome to eavesdrop.